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Oct. 8, 2024
Streamline Your podcast with AI and Automation: Joe Casabona's Top Workflow Tips for Creators
Are you interested in learning how to optimize your podcast workflow and harness the power of AI to simplify your production process? Do you also want to learn how to save time and money while podcasting? Then you are in for a treat, today, we're diving deep into these topics and more.
In this week’s episode, we chat with Joe Casabona, a podcast system coach at podcast workflows. Joe, who is also the host of two popular podcasts: "Streamline Solopreneur" and "Podcast Workflows," shares his insights on podcast automation and software solutions to streamline podcasting.
Joe's strategies come from his many years of experience: over 10 years creating podcasts, more than 15 years teaching, and over 20 years as a web developer. He also produces 3 podcasts, makes $30,000-50,000 every year on sponsorships alone, and gets 60,000 downloads every month from his show.
He does all these while raising 3 small children. That’s because his podcast systems save him 12 hours every week.
In this episode, Joe and Mathew discuss integrating iPhones as continuity cameras for high-quality video. Joe shares his expertise in workflow optimization using tools like Airtable, Notion, and more. They also explore the supportive role of AI in podcasting, emphasizing how it can handle mundane tasks to free up creative energy.
This episode is packed with valuable insights on using modern tools and automation to make your podcasting journey more efficient.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:
- Using the iPhone continuity camera for podcasting: Mathew and Joe discuss the pros and cons, including the switch back to the Logitech BRIO for flexibility.
- Improving podcast workflows: Joe shares how he customizes workflow solutions for podcasters, mentioning tools like Airtable, Notion, and ClickUp for automating tasks.
- The role of AI in podcasting: Joe emphasizes using AI to support, not replace, human creativity. They discuss AI's potential in handling mundane tasks to free up more time for content creation.
- Early podcasting tools and modern solutions: Joe recounts his journey from using Skype and QuickTime to adopting no-code tools like make.com and Zapier for automation.
- Essential podcasting hardware and software: Joe recommends the Shure SM7B and MV7 microphones, the RODECaster Pro 2, and Notion for organizing podcast notes.
Links and resources mentioned in this episode:
- Joe Casabona's website
- Shure MV7 Microphone
- RODECaster Pro 2
- Listen to Joe's podcasts on YouTube
- Follow Joe Casabona on social media:
Implementing Joe’s advanced workflow strategies could be the game-changer you've been looking for. Tune in to streamline your processes and take your podcast to the next level!
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Transcript
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and join us on this exciting journey to unlock the full potential of your
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podcast. Gonna try something a little bit different today. We
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are chatting with Joe Casa Bona. He's a podcast system
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coach at podcastworkflows.com, and he
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is all into how automation and software solutions can help you
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with your podcast. Joe, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks
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for having me. I'm really excited to be here. We are excited to have you.
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So before we jump into your, you know, system workflows and automation
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and whatnot, how did you arrive in the podcasting space?
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Well, I originally arrived in the podcasting space,
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around 2010, something like that. I
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was hanging out with a bunch of my friends. We were talking about a bunch
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of different topics outside of our area of expertise.
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And I said, how do you guys know so much about things
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we didn't go to school for or whatever? And, they mentioned that they listen to
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podcasts, so I started really digging into podcasts. I enjoyed it.
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And, like many people, many tech oriented people, I guess, back,
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in 2010, I listened to a bunch of podcasts and then
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thought I should do this. So I started my first podcast about
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18 months later. What was that podcast about? It was
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called the TIL podcast. So TIL for
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some of our younger listeners means today I learned. It is it has been
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replaced by I was today years old when I learned this,
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And it was me and a bunch of friends talking about things that
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we didn't really know anything about, but talked about it anyway.
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Very, very typical early 20 tens
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podcast. I think it was just like, ah, we'll talk about
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Bitcoin. What does that mean? It was not a very popular
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podcast. It was like 5 people. It was a panel show,
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and I'm a bad moderator. So but I I
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learned the technical details of podcasting from from that
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experience. And so where has that taken you to
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today in terms of podcast that you host or produce or work
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on? Like, what What's your what's your podcasting
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resume looking like these days outside of the podcast workflows.com?
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Yeah. So I, I really did enjoy that experience, and I'm
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an extrovert. And I was working at home, and I was moving away. So I
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started a proper podcast in 2016. It was called How I Built It.
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It's, today it's called Streamline Solopreneur. I
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finally decided, to seed the name to,
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How I Built This, which launched about 3 months after me.
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Yeah. I know. It was rough, and I was sad. But I I
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interviewed developers on that show, and so I I I would always say, like,
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so how did you build it? And so I I didn't wanna let go of
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the name. Today, I talked to busy solopreneur
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parents on the streamline solopreneur, about how
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they can optimize their business and their time so they can spend
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more time with their family. On the more niched
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side of that, I have podcast workflows, which also has a podcast,
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where I basically do the same thing through the lens of podcasting.
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So as you probably know, podcasting is a very time consuming
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thing or can be, and so I try to save
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podcasters' time where I can.
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And so yeah. So I have 2 other podcasts, but those are the 2 main
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ones that I'm really focused on. I have
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to imagine that when you were first starting to do how I built it
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and, you know, progressed through this this journey, the tools
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for podcasting were not nearly as robust or as time
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saving as they are today. But what were some of those early
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systems that you had, before we can get into some of the more,
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you know, like I said, robust platforms that are available to podcasters
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today? Yeah. So, I mean, scheduling
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tools might have existed, but they weren't as, let's say, ubiquitous as they are
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today. And so did everything via email.
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I had a because I was it was, you know, I was a
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web developer in a former life, and so I had, like, a GitHub
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page that I would send to the other developers that I interviewed with
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and, how to record on your
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own because we would talk via Skype, and
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I would use Skype call recorder or Ecamm call recorder rather. Point one
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out for Ecamm call recorder. And
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then I would record my audio in QuickTime, and I would ask my
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guests to do the same thing. So sending instructions
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on how to do that and talking them through that, talking about the importance
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of headphones, which I still maintain is extremely important. But,
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you know, in the before time, there were no there was no way
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to do echo cancellation, really. So,
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I didn't record video at that time, and it was, yeah, it was a
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really largely manual process. So
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the the time saving stuff came really
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on the other side of that where I would build
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automations with Zapier or Airtable to do the
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communication side of things. And then because I
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was in web development, I wrote my own code
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on my WordPress website to do some of the
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emailing and publishing stuff. Gotcha.
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Alright. So outside of the stuff that you created for yourself,
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what are some of the tools today that you think
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are especially for, like you said, that solopreneur, that that
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podcast working on his own. What are some of those tools that have to really
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expedite and and turn their podcast
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systems into something way more efficient and sustainable?
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Yeah. So something that like, a very conscious decision I made
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when I moved out of the web development space and fully into the
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podcasting space was I'm only gonna use no code tools.
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Like, if I'm gonna be helping my audience,
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who is nontechnical, maybe,
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I'm not gonna also write code that I have to, like,
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explain to them how to install and support. Right? So today,
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I'm using, make.com, formerly Integromat.
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Make is very similar to Zapier. I would say Zapier is
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more user friendly. And so, like, I'm working on an automations course, and
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Zapier is going to,
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kind of be the the thing I focus on there because it is it is
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a more user friendly tool. Outside of that, I think
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Notion is where, like, my
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home base is, my whole dashboard for the show. And, again,
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I was using Airtable, and I love Airtable, and I think the
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automations in Airtable are better. But
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Notion is a more popular, I think, largely more user friendly
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tool for a lot of people, especially if you're
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you know, with with Airtable, like, I had all of the
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information about the podcast episode, but, like, you can't
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take show notes. There's not good formatting in,
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in Airtable for, like, long form text, right, where there is in in
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Notion. So I think if we're
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trying to streamline the tools that we're using, I think you can
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kill more birds with 1 stone,
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with, like, Notion and Zapier than with, like, Notion Airtable and maybe,
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like, Google Docs or something like that. So, those 2 are
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really at the center of a lot of things I do. And then, of course,
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there's Dropbox, and I'm using cal.com for
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scheduling, but Calendly is is the most popular one
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there. I tend to like cal.com better because it
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is free if you're not using it for Teams,
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and it plays more nicely with make.com than
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Calendly does. So there are a few reasons why I made the switch
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over there. But between between
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those things, you can really have, like, a well oiled machine
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where once I record a podcast episode and do, like, the
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intro, I move it into a Dropbox folder called need
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called needs editing, and I don't see it again
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until, it's it's live.
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Wow. I mean, I'm familiar with Notion and, I guess,
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the Notion of Notion, I should say. But I I know
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it's just so powerful and that it could be it could be a little daunting
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to get into it and really make it work for you. Whereas Airtable
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is basically just a a glorified spreadsheet system and,
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you know, you know, excel on steroids as they might say. I know Notion could
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do some really amazing things, and that's one I I definitely wanna look into. I
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imagine too that the emergence of AI has
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been a major game changer for automation and podcast
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workflows that you are creating for people. Yeah. So I
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am I'll tell I'll tell people I'm AI
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hesitant because I think people
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want to use AI to do the wrong kind of work.
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It's like, oh, AI can come up with questions for my guests
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for me, or, AI can make the outline for my
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episode. And I'm like, no. That's the thing that you're supposed to do.
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AI can certainly help you do some research on your guest,
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or a topic. Right? I like I like using AI
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to get other perspectives on a topic, maybe
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surface something I didn't think about that AI has
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learned that maybe this is worth exploring. On the other
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side of things, like, yes, I do use, like, AI
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tools to read the transcript and come up
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with descriptions or whatever.
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I've never been impressed with those, and so I will
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usually just use them as, like, a jumping off point or like,
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oh, that's a really I forgot about that, and I didn't write it down in
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my notes. So, like, one of my custom prompts is, you
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know, I here's a transcript from an episode of the
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streamline solopreneur. It's been, quote, unquote, trained on
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what the streamline solopreneur is and what it's about in the target audience.
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The topic of the episode is and whenever the topic is, please give
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me, 3 to 6 takeaways from the episode.
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And usually, at least one of those takeaways will be one I hadn't thought
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about that I think is worth highlighting.
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So, like, stuff like that where it's like, I take notes during
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my interviews, but I definitely don't catch everything because I'm
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trying to actively listen or whatever, especially now that I'm, like, recording
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video too. Like, it's just, like, a very bad look for me to be doing
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this while my guest is talking,
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and I still do it because I'm trying to take notes or, like, look up
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my stuff on my document. But if I can reduce the
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number of times I'm doing that, right, I think it's probably
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okay. It's funny you're saying that because as you're talking, I am
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actually taking notes and looking up documents and and whatnot.
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So, 100% guilty. Yeah. And, like, same
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still. Right? Like, I know. But, like, if it's, like if I can get to
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a point because, like, I like our interview right
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now. Like, my interviews are on my Elgato prompter so that I can
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make eye contact when I'm talking. But as a
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result, it's, like, super obvious when I'm
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not looking at the camera anymore. And so,
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like, I get it. Right? And I do it, but if AI
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can help me in in those areas, I think it's good.
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Yeah. That's that's something we've always stressed too with folks about AI tools is that
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they are phenomenal. They are very helpful, but they
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don't replace the human. Like,
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for me, when it comes to show notes, I you know, a blank piece of
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paper is just, you know,
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threatening. It is it is intimidating. Right? It's like, you know, scarier
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than public speaking, the way people treat that kind of stuff. But
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once AI generates that first draft,
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it's a lot easier for me to look at and be like, okay. Let me
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tweak this. Let me edit this. Let me move this around. Oh, now it's reminded.
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I wanna add this. And so AI is definitely a great
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supplement to your workflow, but, you know, we're just not at a place where it
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could replace human content where we need it.
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Yeah. I agree wholeheartedly. And it's so funny you mentioned the blank, you know,
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like, the blank screen. Right? Because, I wrote about that
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in my newsletter this week as we record this,
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where I talked about, like, when I was writing my master's thesis, like, just
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looking at the blinking cursor in word was so
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daunting. And and I
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tell that story because I'm like, with segments, like, if you do segments for a
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solo episode, you're not staring at a blank cursor anymore. Right?
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Like, you you have kind of the broad strokes of
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what you wanna talk about, and just, like, a little jumping off
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point will make that content creation process easier.
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And, like, having segments means that you don't feel like you need
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to fill the space with one thing for 10 minutes. And so,
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it's really funny you mentioned that because I I agree wholeheartedly. Like, just having
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a little prompt, no pun intended, I guess,
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to help you get to where you need to go is super helpful.
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What about hardware? What are some of the the tools that you
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use for video and audio
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that give you what is a extremely crisp picture,
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great sounding audio that you typically recommend to podcasters?
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Great question. So my, my setup is,
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again, like, I put it together pre 2020,
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we'll say, right, before I think a lot of companies started
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investing in making affordable, really good podcasting
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stuff. And so, like, I'm using the Shure SM 7
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b. I would not recommend that today
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for podcasters. The Shure MV 7 is half the price,
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and I suspect just as good or at
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least good
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good and then not appreciably worse
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than the s m 7 b, we'll say. And then I I am
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using the RodeCaster Pro 2, which is like a pre 2020 item. And I
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just I just really like that because I do have multiple mics and different
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inputs, and it looks cool on my desk probably. And when I
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do solo shows, like, I have, you know, buttons assigned. And so
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I do like having that. I think the main reason that I have this
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kind of setup. Right? I also don't need the Cloudlifter, which is like
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another piece of hardware that you would need if you have the share s m
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7 b, but the RODECaster Pro supports that and then has, like,
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presets for the s m 7 b. The reason I have that is
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because, right when we started recording, Matthew, I don't know if you
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heard, but my daughter, like, fell or something and was
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screaming. Oh, no. Yeah. And she was upstairs. My wife is up there. I
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didn't, she didn't didn't just, like, leave her for her own. But, you
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know, she, like, ran into something and was just very upset.
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And that's gonna happen frequently in my house at various times of the day because
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I work from home and I have 3 small children. And one of the benefits
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of my setup is that no one ever
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hears that, which I really is is
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good for a lot of reasons. Right? So I would say, like, what I
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would recommend to most people today is if you're if you can spend $250
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on the mic, the share MV 7 plus is the way to go.
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If you are maybe sub 100, I would say, like, the
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Samsung q two u or the a t r 21
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100 x is gonna be good, and those are good like USB microphones.
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Sure. M v 7 plus is a USB c, but it also supports
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XLR. So if you want a little bit of extra hardware processing,
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then you can also get, like, the Focusrite Scarlett solo interface or something like that,
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but that's not really necessary anymore. And then for the
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camera, I will recommend that if you have
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an I if you're not looking to spend, like, $1,000 and you
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have an iPhone, that's the way to go,
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because you get just, like, an incredible picture. And if you have a Mac, that's
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like there's continuity camera there. I have
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the Sony a 64100
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with a Sigma F 16 lens, which is
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how we get like, this is not a zoom or blurring effect thing. This
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is like there's the bokeh depth. Actual depth of field
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we're getting here. Yeah. More important than that, I think, is is
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the lighting. Right? So, like, you need, like, a couple of good lights because
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then no matter what camera you have, it's not working as
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hard to produce a crisp
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picture. So I have my key light right in front of me. I have the
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fill light over here, and then I have the backlight behind me, which
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is also helping create that depth. And then as an
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added bonus, I make sure that my monitor is on dark
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mode when I'm recording on camera because the good
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lighting plus dark mode means that it's not
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I I noticed sometimes if I was demoing something from a YouTube
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channel, if I switch to a predominantly
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white background, the cut
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like, the color in the video changed completely,
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which is not something I'm sure a lot of people have to or me like,
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need to think about, but it's something that I I consider as well.
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Yeah. I I can definitely say I'm guilty of being in video
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calls and looking up at my camera and realizing that
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as I'm scrolling websites or whatever, maybe not paying
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attention, My lighting is changing on me, which is probably a dead
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giveaway that, I'm not really listening and, you know, you
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could see all the activity just from from the lighting changes.
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You know, it that that iPhone continuity camera is a phenomenal,
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phenomenal hack for podcasters, especially if you're getting started. You don't
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wanna spend more money on more equipment. It is free if you have a
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iOS device and a and a, you know, macOS operating system. It
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just works so, so well together. The one thing I found with it though was
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that I was just it was so annoying to have to
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mount my phone to record and
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then have to remember to take it down or, you know, maybe there was,
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like, something that I wanted to do on my phone at the same time that
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I was doing it. And so I I actually reverted back to
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using a Logitech BRIO, just so I can keep my
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phone handy for for other things, but I I agree wholeheartedly. If if you don't
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have a good camera and you wanna get started with high quality video, like, the
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iPhone continuity camera is a great way to go.
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So if somebody is hearing this and they're thinking, okay, you know, Joe,
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this sounds great. These these automations, these workflows, how does somebody
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engage with you? How do you help a podcaster streamline
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their operation? Yeah. So, I mean, if we get
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into the the nitty gritty, first of all, I know I just listed a bunch
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of resources. If you go to podcast workflows.com/tech,
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that's a a page that I'll create specifically for for your listeners, Matthew,
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with some of the stuff that we talked about here, the the gear and the
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automations and, like, my free automation database.
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But, the way that I help podcasters primarily is we'll sit
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down, and first, we'll talk about, what
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their biggest problem is. Right? A lot of podcasters will say, like, I wanna
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grow. I wanna make money. And, like,
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no matter what, you need time to do that,
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where a lot of podcasters will get stuck in
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the all of my time is going to, like, actually
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creating the content. And so I wanna help
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podcasters free up their time so that they can do the things they wanna
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do most while also focusing on creating good content. That's how
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you get more listeners. Right? It's not the only
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like, it's not the only thing you have to do, but, if
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you don't have good content, you're not going to keep people.
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Right? So I will sit down with a podcaster, and
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I'll ask them. I have a fairly long
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survey that we'll go through in, like, a discovery call where we cover every
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aspect of their show. So I'll I'll usually say, like, what do you
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do? Tell me everything you do for your show. And they'll say, alright. Well,
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I look for guests, and then I'll book with and I'll be like, wait. Wait.
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Wait. Wait. When you how do you look for guests? Where do you look for
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them? How do you reach out to them? How much time do you spend
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doing that? Okay. Then I'll book the guest. And then no. No. No.
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Wait. Wait. Wait. How do you book with the guest, though? Do you use email,
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or do you use, like, Calendly? And what do you ask them ahead of time?
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Then I record with the guest. Once we record, wait. Where do you record? Right?
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So, like, I want to get into the fine
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details of what they're doing, how
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they're doing it, what tools they're using. Because once I understand that, I
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can take all of those ingredients and
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bake them a beautiful save 12 hours per week
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cake with the tools that they use. Right? Because that's the
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other thing I try to think about is, like, you know, you mentioned
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that you don't really like Notion or you haven't really looked into Notion. You prefer
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Airtable. If I come to you and I'm like, well, you have to use my
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Notion planner, that might immediately
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dissuade you from saving time. Whereas if I'm like, I can build this
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system inside of Airtable for you,
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that's gonna be better for you. Right? And if someone's like, I don't have any
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opinion, then I'm like, okay. Well, great. Here's here's my Notion template, and it's
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it's packaged, and it's everything you need. But
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if you have tools that you prefer to use, I like to also use those
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tools because it's creates less friction.
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Less friction creates more change, creates more
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time. Yeah. And and, just, you know, we we actually
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don't use air table. I tried it once years ago, and I I found it
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to be limited. We're we're now with ClickUp, which,
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also probably still not as robust as Notion in certain
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ways, but does have incredible automation capabilities and
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and can be very useful. So, if anybody ever has
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questions about ClickUp, please, you know, don't hesitate to reach out. I can easily talk
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about, you know, what's so great about that. So once
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again, if you are hearing this and you're thinking, you know, I could really
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use some help to streamline my workflow, you're gonna check out
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podcast workflows.com. Again, that's podcast workflows.com.
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Chatting with Joe Casa Bono. He's the podcast systems coach
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at podcast workflows.com. So, Joe, I mean, it
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sounds like you're already kinda doing this, but is there a
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a place within the podcasting world where you'd like to see
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some improvement that maybe nobody's really working on
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today? Yeah. So, I mean, I think one of the reasons that
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I'm really all in on this is because I've tried the
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positioning of grow your podcast. Right? And I'm
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like, I'm not a marketing guy, so I'm maybe not
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the you know, I I grew a podcast very quickly, but that
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was a few years ago now. Right? And and things have changed.
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I've tried to make money with your podcast, which I can definitely still
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do, but a lot of people are are doing that now.
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Right? And I think that when it comes to
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thinking about workflows or processes,
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I there's I think there's a lot of room for growth there. Right? I think
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we're really early days into the AI, and, like, I'm not anti
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AI, like I said. Right? I am
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I I am hesitant, and I wanted to be used for
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the right thing. So I think a place where I would love to see improvement
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is how can I leverage AI to
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take things off of my plate
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without replacing me in the content process? Because
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it's not gonna be a replacement. Right? It's
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it's going to be a a
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worse experience or worse output. Right? I I
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would never you know, if if you're writing as
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if you're hired as a speechwriter for the president
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of a company or of the United States or whatever, you're
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not gonna have your intern write that speech. The speech is too
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important for for and for someone who doesn't
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have as much experience, right, as as you. So I view the same thing
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with AI. I I view AI as an intern,
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not as my equal. And I I think that
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when we leverage when we can think about
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that more in the podcasting space, it's it will help us a lot more.
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That's an interesting way to think about it. Now if only the I could get,
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coffee for us while we're actually podcasting. I know. That well, that would just be
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swell. I actually I I saw an amazing quote one time. It said something to
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the effect of, I'd much rather have AI figure out,
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like, how to do my laundry, how to, you know,
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like, how to take on these mundane tasks versus be used
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to replace or create art. Well, like, I'd rather have more time
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to do that than let AI take over that and have more time
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for the mundane stuff in the world. So that's, I like the way you think
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about it with that intern perspective. Right? It's not quite the pro, not quite the
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master. It's helpful, but, right, it's it's not it's
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not gonna take over the master's job
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just yet. And I mean,
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I know you said you've had your tech around since 2010, but is there any,
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sorry, since 2020, is there any technology that
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you are looking to get your hands on for podcasting? Whether
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it's something that's out there that's just on your wish list or
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maybe a a piece of equipment or software that you wish somebody
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would make to streamline podcasting for you?
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Wow. That's, that's a really good question.
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You know, I was talking to my friend, Luis, and he was we
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were talking about, like, automating to the nth
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degree, just like how much could you do it.
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And what I would love and I think this is within reach,
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but when I record solo episodes, I don't send them off to my editor.
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I use Ecamm Live, and I have a stream deck until, like, I can pause
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and easily remove stuff if I need to. But, usually,
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because of the segments, I don't have to cut out a lot of stuff. I
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still need to process because, like, I do take, like, heavy breaths,
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and I, you know, I have, like, some mouth clicking, and I hate those sounds.
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And people will say, like, yeah. But, like, you make those sounds in real life,
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and I say that's true, but I'm not doing it, like, right in someone's ear.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. Just so you people can enjoy exactly what we're talking about.
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Yeah. Exactly. Hear him from Joe right now. Right. Yeah. I'm usually, like, feet
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away from people when that's happening. Right? And not, like, right up in their
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ear. So I I wanna remove that stuff, and I
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have, like, this little chain in Logic Pro.
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And what I would love is, like, as soon as I save a file to
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a specific folder, it opens up in Logic
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Pro, runs those filters, and spits
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out the finalized file. And I
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think you can do that with, like, AppleScript,
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maybe. But it's that that is one
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place that I would love to see because that would take so much
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little manual like, fewer manual clicks off of
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my plate. And, like, I know that people will say, like, well, there's
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studio sound in Descript, and I'm like, yeah. But that it's not
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my chain is dialed into my microphone and the way I talk,
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and I I want that editing because that's gonna sound a lot better than
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AI trying to figure out. Also, I don't know if they fixed this, but, like,
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studio sound is god awful when you use an actual good mic.
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Like, AI is deaf maybe they fix this, but
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studio sound is for the people using the built in microphone with no
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headphones. It does an amazing job of cleaning that up,
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but, like, it because it makes these assumptions,
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if those don't exist in the audio, it just kinda, like, fakes it.
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Yeah. It can it can overwork good audio. I haven't I haven't used it
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in a in a couple of years, but, it it has done miracles
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for bad audio, but yet I'm I'm a little hesitant to use it on
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decent audio. Right. Because the directive isn't
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clean up this audio if it needs to be cleaned up. It's clean up this
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audio. Right. Right. Remove the room noise. Well, there's no room noise, so I'm gonna
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remove something. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You might you would like that.
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Okay. And then the last question we like to ask everybody is is there a
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podcast that you are subscribed to or that you are listening to that, you know,
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maybe you have a bunch in your playlist? But when this one hits, you're gonna
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stop what you're doing. You're gonna listen to it. Right? It it you never miss
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an episode. What what's that podcast or 2 that just
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will always have priority for you? 1 is Cortex
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from Relay or Relay dot f m. That's with CGP
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Grey, and Mike Hurley. It's it's monthly,
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and it's just a great I love the insight that they give on, like,
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productivity and the way they think about work, and it's just
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a very interesting podcast to me. And then the other one is Serious
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Trouble, and that's with Josh Barrow, a journalist
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who formerly hosted, KCRW's left, right, and center,
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and Ken White, a former federal prosecutor,
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and they talk about federal cases.
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And I think that Josh is an excellent
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like, you know which side of the aisle he falls on politically, but he's an
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excellent journalist who asks really good questions. And I
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think Ken White is just a very funny commentator,
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And so, you also know where he falls, and he's a little bit more partisan
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than Josh. But I think his insights and experience are very funny,
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and so I love listening to that podcast. Very good. Well,
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we'll have links to those 2 shows as well in the show notes as well
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as a link to podcast workflows.com
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and some profiles. If you wanna check out Joe Casa
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Bono, the podcast as some coach at podcast workflows. Joe,
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it is a pleasure to chat with you. And now that I know that you're
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just a few miles away, I hope you get to, meet up in person soon.
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Thanks for joining me today. My pleasure and absolutely anytime, Matthew. Thanks
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